Today, a conversation with Dr. Claudia Bernhardt Pacheco about living in the spiritual world. I’m Richard Lloyd Jones.

It was the Police back in the early ’80s that approached the subject of us being spirits in a material world. A typically spare and rhythm driven track that was catchy and infectious. They were an interesting band.

But, while they were observing the bleak political situation we lived in, it may have been no more than the complaining of youth searching for an answer but with no solutions to offer.

After all, criticism is not change, is it?

I remember back in that time going through my own social protest period, writing anti-nuke radio ads and joining numerous environmental groups in the naive belief that made me part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I’m much more sophisticated about social change today, recognizing that the evil we accuse the system of power of resides in us all. And especially more cognizant that there’s a formidable spiritual influence on top of us constantly. And most of us have no idea about that. So let’s dive into that spiritual wisdom.

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